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How the 18/33/0 build works
Combat to Adrenaline Rush with Blade Flurry, Dual Wield Specialization, Weapon Expertise and Aggression. Forever's Hack and Slash is one talent whose bonus depends on the weapon you swing, and Flawless Execution cheapens Eviscerate.
Eighteen Assassination points take Malice, Ruthlessness, Improved Slice and Dice, Relentless Strikes, Lethality and Cold Blood. The Backstab alternative is the dagger version of the same idea.
Combat Rogue leveling build
One talent point a level from 10 to 60, in this order, ending at 19/32/0 without a respec. Pick the Leveling tab above and drag the level slider to watch the trees fill in.
Levels 10–20
Improved Sinister Strike makes your main attack cheaper, Improved Eviscerate hits harder, Precision adds 3% hit, and Deflection leads to Riposte.
Levels 21–30
Riposte, Endurance (Sprint and Evasion back 60% sooner), a point of Lightning Reflexes, and Dual Wield Specialization for off-hand damage. Blade Flurry at 30 is 20% attack speed and a second target.
Levels 31–40
Hack and Slash gives swords and axes extra attacks, daggers and fist weapons crit, and maces armor penetration. Weapon Expertise and Aggression follow, and Adrenaline Rush at 40 doubles Energy regeneration for 15 seconds.
Levels 41–60
Assassination: Malice for 5% crit, Ruthlessness and Relentless Strikes for combo points and Energy, Murder against Humanoids and Giants, Lethality for crit damage, and Improved Slice and Dice.
| Level | Talent | Tree |
|---|---|---|
| 10–11 | Improved Sinister Strike 2/2 | Combat |
| 12–14 | Improved Eviscerate 3/3 | Combat |
| 15–17 | Precision 3/3 | Combat |
| 18–20 | Deflection 3/3 | Combat |
| 21 | Riposte 1/1 | Combat |
| 22–23 | Endurance 2/2 | Combat |
| 24 | Lightning Reflexes 1/5 | Combat |
| 25–29 | Dual Wield Specialization 5/5 | Combat |
| 30 | Blade Flurry 1/1 | Combat |
| 31–35 | Hack and Slash 5/5 | Combat |
| 36–37 | Weapon Expertise 2/2 | Combat |
| 38–39 | Aggression 2/3 | Combat |
| 40 | Adrenaline Rush 1/1 | Combat |
| 41–45 | Malice 5/5 | Assassination |
| 46–48 | Ruthlessness 3/3 | Assassination |
| 49–50 | Murder 2/2 | Assassination |
| 51 | Relentless Strikes 1/1 | Assassination |
| 52–56 | Lethality 5/5 | Assassination |
| 57 | Aggression 3/3 | Combat |
| 58–60 | Improved Slice and Dice 3/3 | Assassination |
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Every talent in the Combat Rogue raid build
Each talent with its Forever tooltip at the rank the build takes.
Assassination· 18 points
Malice 5/5
Increases your critical strike chance with all attacks and Poisons by 5%.
Ruthlessness 3/3
Gives your finishing moves a 60% chance to add a Combo Point to your target.
Improved Slice and Dice 3/3
Increases the duration of your Slice and Dice ability by 45%.
Relentless Strikes 1/1
Your finishing moves have a 20% chance per Combo Point to restore 25 Energy.
Lethality 5/5
Increases the critical strike damage bonus of your Sinister Strike, Gouge, Backstab, Mutilate, Ghostly Strike, and Hemorrhage abilities by 20%.
Cold Blood 1/1
When activated, increases the critical strike chance of your next Sinister Strike, Backstab, Ambush, Eviscerate, or Mutilate by 100%.
Combat· 33 points
Improved Eviscerate 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Eviscerate ability by 20%.
Improved Sinister Strike 2/2
Reduces the Energy cost of your Sinister Strike ability by 5.
Deflection 3/3
Increases your Parry chance by 6%.
Precision 3/3
Improves your chance to hit by 3%.
Endurance 1/2
Reduces the cooldown of your Sprint and Evasion abilities by 30%.
Riposte 1/1
A strike that becomes active after parrying an opponent's attack. This attack deals 150% weapon damage and disarms the target.
Improved Sprint 2/2
Gives a 100% chance to remove all movement impairing effects when you activate your Sprint ability.
Flawless Execution 1/1New in Forever
Reduces the Energy cost of your Eviscerate ability by 10.
Dual Wield Specialization 5/5
Increases the damage done by your off-hand weapon by 25%.
Blade Flurry 1/1
Increases your melee attack speed by 20% and your melee attacks strike an additional nearby opponent. Lasts 15 sec.
Hack and Slash 5/5New in Forever
Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 5% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 5%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 15% of your target's armor.
Weapon Expertise 2/2
Reduces the chance for your attacks to be Dodged or Parried by 2%.
Aggression 3/3
Increases the damage of your Sinister Strike, Backstab, and Eviscerate abilities by 6%.
Adrenaline Rush 1/1
Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
New Combat talents in WoW Forever
The 3 talents in Forever's Combat tree that Classic does not have, shown at full rank. Another 9 carry over from Classic with different ranks, positions or numbers.
Puncturing Wounds · row 2, 3 ranks
Increases the critical strike chance of your Backstab by 30% and your Mutilate by 15%, and gives Backstab a 45% chance to add an additional Combo Point.
Flawless Execution · row 4, 1 rank
Reduces the Energy cost of your Eviscerate ability by 10.
Hack and Slash · row 5, 5 ranks
Gives your melee weapon attacks a benefit depending on the weapon. Axe/Sword: Your successful melee attacks have a 5% chance to trigger an extra attack on the target. Dagger/Fist: Increases your critical strike chance by 5%. Mace: Your attacks ignore 15% of your target's armor.
Questions
What are the best Combat Rogue talents in WoW Forever?
Our recommended Combat Rogue build is 18/33/0: Swords or axes, Sinister Strike, Adrenaline Rush. It is one of the Forever sim's preset builds. Nobody has played a level 60 yet, so treat it as a starting point until launch on 4 November.
Are WoW Forever's Combat talents the same as Classic's?
No. Forever's Combat tree has 17 talents, and 3 of them do not exist in Classic: Puncturing Wounds, Flawless Execution and Hack and Slash. Another 9 have different ranks, positions or numbers. The tree is still seven rows deep, and each row still needs five points spent above it.
What is the Combat 31-point talent in WoW Forever?
Adrenaline Rush. Increases your Energy regeneration rate by 100% for 15 sec.
What is the best Combat Rogue leveling build in WoW Forever?
Ours takes one point a level from 10 to 60 with no respec and ends at 19/32/0. It picks up Riposte at 21, Blade Flurry at 30, Adrenaline Rush at 40 and Relentless Strikes at 51. The full order is on this page.
How many talent points do you get in WoW Forever?
51 at level 60, one per level from level 10, as in Classic. The Legacy perk Talented starts them at level 5 instead, which matters for alts while levelling.
Where does this talent data come from?
From the WoW Forever beta client's own talent tables (build 1.60.1.70338), not from Classic. Every tooltip on this page is rendered from the client's spell data, and we checked them against the numbers the beta's own tooltips show. The trees can still change before launch.
